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Modding New-style Webley Typhoon: Advice Needed

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I've wanted an air pistol for a while and recently bought a new-style Webley Typhoon, .177.

 

I have read various reviews, most of the, bad, but a few people seem to think there is potential for customising this, maybe into a carbine!

 

Before peope start saying 'it's not worth the effort' and 'buy a decent gun' I want to mod this pistol because I like it despite its faults and I really enjoy customising things.

 

This is what I want to do:

 

1. Take out the recoil spring, because it doesn't work, and even if it did the pistol isn't powerful enough to warrant it

2. Glue and pin the sliding pistol grip, because it makes the pistol feel cheap and badly made (which it might well be!)

3. Remove the sights front and back, because they are cheap and nasty - DONE

4. Fit a red dot open eye scope - DONE

5. Polish the trigger sears

6. Fit a shoulder stock/aimbrace

7. Fit barrel shroud/tube

 

All the ideas for these mods where taken from various sites and forums, namely:

 

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/11/web...tol-part-3.html

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/archive/200...ir_archive.html

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/customer...stomer_id=24930

 

This is what I envisage the end result to be:

 

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Can anyone give me any practical tips on doing the more technical mods, ie. polishing the trigger sears, sourcing/making/fitting the shoulder stock and barrel stroud etc.

 

Thanks

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I too like fiddling with things, and considered modding my Typhoon to something based on a Ratcatcher:

 

TYPHOON.jpg

 

Unfortunately mine wouldn't group on a door at 10M, let alone on a sensible target (I'm not joking), and the dealer kindly refunded my money. So I never got to start this, but there you are anyway.

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Hi Jerry,

 

Yeh, thats something like i'm hoping for. Although I am going for a red dot instead of scope and possibly red filtered torch instead of laser.

 

Nice design work btw, impressive stuff, did you do it yourself?

 

As for not grouping on a door at 10M... maybe you got a friday night job?! Completely standard at 10M my groups where about 1", not good I know but i'm hoping for about 1/4" when i'm done.

 

Whatever the reviews say this gun is pretty powerful for a pistol. http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/11/web...tol-part-2.html

 

Updated progress:

 

1. Take out the recoil spring, because it doesn't work, and even if it did the pistol isn't powerful enough to warrant it - DONE

2. Glue and pin the sliding pistol grip, because it makes the pistol feel cheap and badly made (which it might well be!)

3. Remove the sights front and back, because they are cheap and nasty - DONE

4. Fit a red dot open eye scope - DONE

5. Polish the trigger sears - DONE

6. Fit a shoulder stock/aimbrace

7. Fit barrel shroud/tube

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Updated progress:

 

1. Take out the recoil spring, because it doesn't work, and even if it did the pistol isn't powerful enough to warrant it - DONE

2. Glue and pin the sliding pistol grip, because it makes the pistol feel cheap and badly made (which it might well be!) - DONE

3. Remove the sights front and back, because they are cheap and nasty - DONE

4. Fit a red dot open eye scope - DONE

5. Polish the trigger sears - DONE

6. Fit a shoulder stock/aimbrace - NEED HELP WITH THIS PLEASE

7. Fit barrel shroud/tube - MADE Just need to spray and fit it

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did you do it yourself?

 

As for not grouping on a door at 10M... maybe you got a friday night job?! Completely standard at 10M my groups where about 1", not good I know but i'm hoping for about 1/4" when i'm done.

 

Whatever the reviews say this gun is pretty powerful for a pistol. http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/11/web...tol-part-2.html

 

Yes I do such drawings myself. The design was drawn in Corel Draw after importing some photos and digitising them, then adding bits as needed. It's more simple than you may think.

 

Friday just before home time I reckon. When I say say the door thing it would vary, bench mounted, from 10" above target to not even reaching it at all, lost somehwere in the grass a few feet short, that bad no matter which pellets I used! I gave a fairly comprehensive report to the suppliers on the problems I was having, including noting that the rifling was not formed properly, as between 11 and 1 o'clock looking down the barrel it was almost dead smooth, like it was overbored, or the broach was too small.

 

The surprising thing, and most disapointing, was that I was not expecting superb performance at the price I wanted it to honour what it said on the box, 'accurate and fun...'. The response was that they felt it would not meet my expectations and I was given my money back, not even a suggestion that a replacement would give me what the promotion splurge was saying.

 

A sad testament. My Tracker and Tempest are 'real' Webley's, and superb weapons. Credibility must be dropping vertically right now.

 

Anyway, I'm glad you have a comparitively good one, good luck with the mods :) .

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Thanks for the input Jerry. It sucks when people just offer a refund as the first resort to a complaint, sad testament to the once proud Webley brand as you say.

 

Updated progress:

 

1. Take out the recoil spring, because it doesn't work, and even if it did the pistol isn't powerful enough to warrant it - DONE

2. Glue and pin the sliding pistol grip, because it makes the pistol feel cheap and badly made (which it might well be!) - DONE

3. Remove the sights front and back, because they are cheap and nasty - DONE

4. Fit a red dot open eye scope - DONE

5. Polish the trigger sears - DONE

6. Fit a shoulder stock/aimbrace - NEED HELP WITH THIS PLEASE

7. Fit barrel shroud/tube - DONE

 

Now all I have to do is customise and fit the ratcatcher stock I have ordered, I will post again with a more accurate description of the advice I need. Here is how things are looking to date:

 

front.jpg

side.jpg

 

 

And i'm currently getting 1/2" spreads at around 10M, although I haven't really had a lot of time to test properly. Hopefully this will improve will shoulder stock.

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:) , nice fun little project.

 

Tell me, at what point does a pistol modified like this become a rifle, if at all?

 

It's making me wonder what defines a rifle, and what defines a pistol. Stretching the point, does a 6 ft/lb limit apply to a pistol's action being used to create what is effectively a carbine rifle?

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:) , nice fun little project.

 

Tell me, at what point does a pistol modified like this become a rifle, if at all?

 

It's making me wonder what defines a rifle, and what defines a pistol. Stretching the point, does a 6 ft/lb limit apply to a pistol's action being used to create what is effectively a carbine rifle?

 

I wondered the same thing on a thread about Crosmans a short while back - seems like a grey area to me - anyone know when a pistol with shoulder stock legally becomes a carbine rifle?

 

[Nice tinkering by the way - looks like it was fun]

 

Cheers

 

Nigel

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Hi Jerry & Nigey42,

 

Thanks for the comments, I did really enjoy playin around with it, just waiting for the stock to finish things off!

 

As far as when does a modified pistol become a rifle... good question? As far as legality I suppose it doesn't matter to much when converting a pistol to a rifle but it would definetly matter the other way around!? I hadn't actually thought about it.

 

Know I do though... if I could confirm that a modified pistol becomes a rifle when the barrel is extended and a shoulder stock is added, would it be feasible/advisable to up the power on this project, or would that not be possible?

 

Thanks for bringing this up :)

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I once made a new stock for my Sharp Innova. It was made of an offcut of teak whilst I was at college and had access to band saws, laithes, pillar drills and the like. I made a new forestock with deep ribs like a pump-action shotgun, and an ergonomic pistol grip in place of the rear of the stock. I think I was going for that sawn-off look - can't think why because you couldn't aim the thing any more - but it effectively made the rifle into a very long and unwieldy pistol. Can't remember what happened to it.

 

Cheers

 

Nigel

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A long time since the thread started, but I have successfully fitted a black ABS folding stock to the

Typhoon. It was not difficult. I had to modify the stock which involved a some filing, but the only modification to the pistol was drilling one small hole in the plastic rear sight housing to accommodate a bolt which holds the stock firmly in place.

 

Please, no point in asking me why I did it, I just wanted to. I already had the stock (an impulse eBay purchase under 'tactical folding stock) and came across this thread a couple of days ago, the day I had bought the pistol.

 

One other quick mod was drilling a small hole underneath the cocking extension for a threaded grub screw. That was a five minute job, and well worth it. The extension is now stable even when the pistol is fired.

 

Have included some photos.

 

Points To Note

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1. To my mind it looks and feels awesone

 

2. With stock folded can still be used as normal. The folded stock does not obstruct your hand or the sights, but obviously changes the pistol's weight and balance.

 

3. You wil NOT end up with a rifle. It is all but impossible to get a sight picture when the stock

is at your shoulder, and this would include a scope. HOWEVER the perfect answer is a red dot

laser sight. With one fitted the pistol combo looks even more amazing and could pass for

a small sub-machine gun especially with the muzzle extender in place.

 

4. As the only modification to the pistol is one small hole at the back of the plastic rear-sight assembly it can hardly be said to have caused any damage that would lower its value.

 

5. It took just over an hour to modify the stock. The one I had originally had a rectangular hole

at the fixing end. which is a perfect fit for the plastic that sticks out at the rear of the pistol. All that

was needed was to file back the top and bottom of that hole so it pushed up snugly against the pistols rear sight assembly.

 

I had removed the assembly to do the work. Just remove the two bolts at the front, and one bolt underneath. The body of the pistol can then be removed, and the sight assembly slides out.

 

Once the stock physically mated with the sight assembly, with the stock in the folded position I drilled a small hole through it to the rear of the sight assembly. All that was needed was a long enough BA bolt which I slid through from the sight assembly side, attached a nut to the folding stock side and tightened enough to hold everything firmly in place.

 

The ABS/Plastic of both parts is quite thick. so solid enough for this method, but do not over-tighten

the nut.

 

The stock can be fitted or removed in a couple of minutes.

 

The final obstacle was being able to close and 'lock' the stock as now there were the end of the bolt and nut protruding slightly. Originally I had considered recessing them, but realised all I needed to do was make a suitable hole where the stock locked in place so they passed through it.

 

Well that is it. Is the mod practical, frankly 'no'. Does it result in a fantastic looking weapon, a definite 'yes' as far as I am concerned, with the added bonus you can still use the pistol (almost) as normal when the stock is folded.

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Bit more overkill lol. I have been making up some wooden presentation cases for my other pistols and had a large one left over, so just for fun, and because I think the finished Typhoon deserved protecting I created the one pictured below, complete with vinyl logos.

 

Allthough the black interior does not show up the detail, the pistol, cocking aid, and pellets are all held securely in their own 'niches', and the Instruction booklet is under a black plastic sheet below the pistol, just visible in the top right picture.

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