holly 5 Posted March 30 I was shooting yesterday on our zero range , at 55 yards . there was a board with paper on it and next to it a metal target . i must have fired at least 50 pellets between them . on the paper no decent groups were visible . just the odd shot touching . ( very tricky wind in our wood , half of it is on a hill , half flat with a open field behind it ) BUT on the metal target , which was at the same height and only two feet away . windage was mostly an inch right to left and the groups were mostly within an inch or better . i have noticed this before , which is why i don't often shoot at paper ( unless indoors or when the leaves are fully back on the trees ) . conclusion , Paper Lies , Metal Tells The Truth ??? HOLLY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 0 Posted March 30 Just need redictability and consistency who cares what it groups like to an extent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holly 5 Posted March 30 I like groups Jon . they don't win anything in FT but if the rifle will not group . then proper zeroing is not possible , you will just be chasing the error . windage is more important . i am seriously considering retiring my old shutz and having the barrel machined to fit my steyr . ??? HOLLY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 0 Posted April 1 Wont fit Pain to sleeve up and never ever look right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holly 5 Posted April 1 Yep probably right , shame . damn good barrel that ??? HOLLY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springboy 2 Posted April 1 I’ve noticed the same. I always check zero on a metal plate,you get a more pronounced mark compared to paper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robF 4 Posted April 3 Only fooling yourselves. The splat on plate is much bigger than a hole in paper which is why people say they can't shoot paper but can plate. Paper. You want results, work at them, don't shy away from them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holly 5 Posted April 4 Depends on the paint . personally my accuracy test is to shoot for the quarter inch bolts that hold the target to the stand . if you can get those on out to 55 yards . you don''t have much to worry about ??? HOLLY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robF 4 Posted April 6 Unlikely they are 1/4”. The standard bolt head size for the thread that goes through a knockover is 13mm. Ie 1/2” ish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holly 5 Posted April 6 We use smaller bolts cos the standards at Carisbrooke are higher rob ??? HOLLY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eaton Rifles 4 Posted May 1 Rob's right, the splat on metal is deceptive as it is far bigger than a pellet sized hole in paper. Add in the curve of the pellet coming in like a mortar and it's not reliable at all. By all means if you want to massage your ego shoot metal and imagine those overlapping splats are a nice tight group, but if you want to see truth then shoot to a point on paper and offset your scope so that it is a true point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holly 5 Posted May 1 foolish boy . FT is all about confidence . you won't get that shooting paper . as said shoot for the bolts that hold the target to the stand . if you can hit those . you don't have to worry ??? HOLLY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eaton Rifles 4 Posted May 1 7 hours ago, holly said: foolish boy . FT is all about confidence . you won't get that shooting paper . as said shoot for the bolts that hold the target to the stand . if you can hit those . you don't have to worry ??? HOLLY Just remember not to do that in a competition....ah actually that sounds like a great idea for you..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robF 4 Posted May 2 15 hours ago, holly said: foolish boy . FT is all about confidence . you won't get that shooting paper . as said shoot for the bolts that hold the target to the stand . if you can hit those . you don't have to worry ??? HOLLY You will get confidence once your groups are good. If you're pretending they're good by clipping something with a splat and pretending that's just as tight then you're kidding yourself and you'll know that. Nothing matters for anyone else but plate hides evidence of problems that paper reveals. It's the difference between knowing what's happening and believing what's happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 0 Posted May 2 Couldnt care less what it does on paper, its whether its predictable on the target going at. Didnt do me any harm some people just cant shoot paper within 1/2" at 30 yds, yet chuck a 15mm at 40+ its gone proper wind or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holly 5 Posted May 2 Well we have plenty of wind and rain today Jon . just waiting to see if it will stop ??? HOLLY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eaton Rifles 4 Posted May 2 8 minutes ago, holly said: Well we have plenty of wind and rain today Jon . just waiting to see if it will stop ??? HOLLY No, tomorrow is better with the weekend best of all. Just have a day tweaking then treat Chris to pie and chips at the pie shop... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holly 5 Posted May 2 Fully tweaked and i think egg and bacon ??? HOLLY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eaton Rifles 4 Posted May 2 2 hours ago, holly said: Fully tweaked and i think egg and bacon ??? HOLLY I see the die-T is going well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
