A Question Of HFT ?
Posted 30 December 2004 - 05:42 PM
Posted 30 December 2004 - 06:27 PM
1 The chrono is done with the pellet you use.
2 Bracketing is allowed thats why they use mildot scopes but is going to be more difficult with a changing of killzones sizes so I,ve been told.
3 You are allowed target gloves
4 There is no time limit at present
5 There is 2 targets per lane now or 1 depending on space of land etc
PS theres a shot at quarry rifles on the 8 th of Jan 2005
Edited by sportsmatch, 30 December 2004 - 06:29 PM.
Posted 30 December 2004 - 07:08 PM
Only thing is next year in the comps it will be 1 target 1 peg and there may well be unofficial time limits brought in (i.e. if a marshal thinks you are taking to long and holding other shooters up)
Posted 30 December 2004 - 07:27 PM
Wonder who'll get the first prod
Posted 30 December 2004 - 08:04 PM
Posted 30 December 2004 - 08:31 PM
Posted 30 December 2004 - 08:33 PM
1 of 5 is correct but main thing for the different size kill zones is some clubs have old targets/homemade that could be 35mm,38mm & 45mm ect, so we just said any size can be used instead of just saying 25mm & 40mm before someone complains But we do have some inserts to go in the killzones for fun also.
No plans for joint comps as of yet but you never know in the future.
Edited by sparky, 30 December 2004 - 08:33 PM.
Posted 30 December 2004 - 08:37 PM
|QUOTE (sportsmatch @ Thu Dec 30 2004, 19:27)|
|Wonder who'll get the first prod|
Could be one of the 'big nobs' of HFT from what I hear
Posted 30 December 2004 - 09:21 PM
Posted 30 December 2004 - 09:44 PM
Most folk appear to be using JSB / Daystate or Fields from what I've seen.
Posted 30 December 2004 - 10:09 PM
I run my target guns at 775fps(8.4=11.2ftlb) and we use 10mm targets up the club up to 35yards for practice.
Posted 31 December 2004 - 12:50 AM
Posted 31 December 2004 - 01:11 AM
So if the Bisley LRG weighs 7.6gns then you could have your rifle running at 835fps which would give you approximately 11.75 ft.lbs of muzzle energy.
Posted 31 December 2004 - 07:35 AM
Posted 31 December 2004 - 07:36 AM
|QUOTE (sportsmatch @ Thu Dec 30 2004, 19:27)|
| Some shooters are to be given a prod to make sure they've not fallen asleep |
Wonder who'll get the first prod
Someone else called Gary, probably.
Posted 31 December 2004 - 09:14 AM
Posted 31 December 2004 - 09:15 AM
Just because the UKAHFT chrono using the pellet you're currently using isn't a good reason to wind your rifle up so that it's no longer legal. I'm sure you're aware that the law is that your rifle should not be capable of producing more than 12 fpe with ANY projectile.
Is it really worth potentially bringing the sport into disrepute to gain such a small advantage?
The difference between FT and HFT is that HFT is much more of a relaxed and fun environment - it's not as competitive as FT. The majority of HFT shooters go out and shoot because they enjoy shooting if they get a good score - great, if they get a rubbish score - nobody cares. Go out roll about in the mud and have a good time mate, you'll feel much better for it.
Posted 31 December 2004 - 04:04 PM
Edited by holly, 31 December 2004 - 04:06 PM.
Posted 31 December 2004 - 04:56 PM
I see your point though, because guns are checked at competitions with the shooter supplied pellets.
However, as far as I know, the police can check your rifle using a selection of pellets.
So I'm not sure, never having been checked by the plod, but I'd rather be on the safe side. Happy New Year to you
Posted 31 December 2004 - 05:38 PM
If the BFTA are advising otherwise they're putting their members at risk!
Yes I do know of a case where the police used a selection of pellets some of which caused the rifle to go over the 12 foot pound limit. I wasn't personally involved in the case but Keef from XB&M was called as an expert witness in that case I'm sure he'll tell you the same. Fortunately the police bungled the investigation and lost the evidence otherwise some poor lad could have been looking at the wrong end of a 5 year stretch.
Most police forces use a selection of pellets, ranging from light to heavy pellets and they also test the pellet being used at the time. This isn't hearsay - this is fact and it's also the LAW!
You can call it scaremongering if you like - Personally I call it taking note of the law. Ignore it at your own peril mate - ignorance is no defence btw.
Lets face it - it's very unlikely that plod are going to raid an event and start chrono'ing everyone's rifle. But what do you think might happen if for arguements sake an unfortunate accident happened and a rifle was discharged causing serious injury. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the gun in question was taken away and tested in that case would you?
But my main point is it's not a particularly responsible thing to encourage on an open forum and it does nothing but bring the sport into disrepute - and for what?
Posted 31 December 2004 - 06:13 PM
reading your posts it looks like you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick.
Holly is talking about setting up his gun, so that it shoots at about 11.75 ft lb with a 7.6 grain pellet.
I used to have a Pro-T set up for Premiers, at 11.5 ft lbs they were going just over 800fps. AA/Daystate/JSB's doing the same velocity would be over 12 ft lb. I was not committing any offence, and when tested the heavier pellets had a lower velocity which was still legal.
Nothing wrong with tuning your rifle to your chosen ammunition.
Posted 31 December 2004 - 06:32 PM
Holly is talking about tuning his gun to about 11.77 fpe with a light pellet. If when he puts through a Bisley Magnum it still stays below 12 foot pound, I don't have a problem.
But.. it almost certainly won't be.
Neil, you're making the assumption that if you use a heavier pellet, all that will change is the MV - i.e. it will decrease accordingly and still leave the rifle within 12 foot pound.
Sadly this just isn't the case. Do the tests yourself mate.
My Daystate Mk3 when shooting JSB's kicks out about 11.3 fpe, but if I put a bisley magnum through it the velocity doesn't drop in line with the increase in pellet weight and it kicks out 11.7 fpe.
If I decided to squeeze every last ounce of power out of my rifle with my usual pellet - i.e. tuned it to 11.7 fpe with JSB's - Bis Mags would certainly put it over the 12 fpe limit and I would be looking at a mandatory 5 year prison sentence if caught.
My point is and always has been - Is it worth the risk for such a small advantage?
If you look on the BFTA forum on here - you only have to look 6 posts down to see a post on this very subject, so this is something that the BFTA are aware of. I'm not sure what advise they're giving out, but if it's to tune your rifle to 11.75 fpe with your normal pellet then I think they should serioiusly reconsider that advice!
I'm starting to sound like an old whinging git now, so I'll shut up.
Happy New Year all
Posted 31 December 2004 - 06:42 PM
The rifle was promtly de-tuned to 11.5 with Bis mags? giving a shade over 11 with the
daystates i had started to use? I think i had to put about four clicks on at 55yards ? so the difference is negligable ?
Set them safe.
Posted 31 December 2004 - 06:57 PM
For one uses less air at its peak and also found when shooting at paper it now punches a nice hole were as before it rips the paper, so seems to me the pellet is more stable at the lesser power? And none of my impact points have altered out to 45.
PS Happy New Year to all off out now
Edited by sparky, 31 December 2004 - 07:00 PM.
Posted 31 December 2004 - 08:00 PM
The government is talking about having a set pellet for chronograph
as it is now every police force as its own interpretation ,
I have talk to the police about this , one answer I got was , that they would use 3 different pellets ,heavy, medium, light, if it was over with any pellets ,then it was a FAC, end of story
Posted 31 December 2004 - 08:35 PM
|QUOTE (holly @ Fri Dec 31 2004, 09:14)|
|Thanks jonathan i was planning to come over to lea valley for my first event to put my toe into the water so to speak ? so i will try my best to get there for your first date of the year . why are there so few targets . big queues . or is it just an introduction ?|
There's only one arena available for the monthly comps so space is limited, it has to be completely set up that morning and no-one wants to take all day over it. :-)
Look for the short, bald, bearded bloke with an MFR and say hello.
Posted 31 December 2004 - 09:24 PM
Posted 31 December 2004 - 09:34 PM
Posted 01 January 2005 - 07:33 AM
|QUOTE (holly @ Fri Dec 31 2004, 21:34)|
|what is an MFR ? you can recognise us by the fact that i am a big fat s-d and dopper has a very nice pair of crutches ? in silver .|
An MFR is an air rifle made by Theoben, m'lud.
Being larger than average is hardly a distinguishing feature in this sport, is it? LV is home to Mark 'Bones' Lufkin who is as large as a very large thing with added large bits. Irritatingly he's also an extremely good shot.
Posted 01 January 2005 - 09:20 AM
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