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#1 springboy

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 06:24 PM

Well I've booked in for Bisley and bitten the bullit and gone for piston class. Should be a giggle

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 06:29 PM

Nice one! Good luck!

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 06:38 PM

And Nat's is booked in for morning or afternoon ??? HOLLY



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Posted 15 May 2017 - 06:56 PM

Will we see you there Hols?

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 07:06 PM

AM session here, should be a good day.

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 07:30 PM

AM session for me. Then off to watch the running boar

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 07:57 PM

Will we see you there Hols?

If i have any rifles to sell . i will be there Stan ??? HOLLY



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Posted 15 May 2017 - 08:18 PM

Hoping to see you back shooting

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 06:09 AM

AM session for me. Then off to watch the running boar


Bring some ear defenders then...:grin:
Really sad to see that the PC brigade have got at the targets for this, no more a pictorial boar but now a geometric shape, sound familiar? :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 07:11 AM

Hoping to see you back shooting

Gotta wait till the spanish lady say's Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ???? HOLLY



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Posted 16 May 2017 - 07:35 AM

And Nat's is booked in for morning or afternoon ??? HOLLY


I asked hubby and he looked at me as if I was mad.. So that's probably a no then. Mind you we'll be busy packing :D

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 07:38 AM

We like a woman who does what they are told Nat's ??? HOLLY  :amen:



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Posted 16 May 2017 - 08:42 AM

AM session for me. Then off to watch the running boar

Bring some ear defenders then...:grin:
Really sad to see that the PC brigade have got at the targets for this, no more a pictorial boar but now a geometric shape, sound familiar? :rolleyes:

Unbelievably loud. First time I saw it I jumped out of my skin lol

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 08:47 AM

Yes and all that to shoot 50yds....:rolleyes:

 

They've actually toned down the rounds a bit, in the 90's the report was actually painful standing outside the Bisley hut and I'm fairly resilient to loud noises after knowing Holly all this time....:grin:



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Posted 16 May 2017 - 10:09 AM

If you think that is loud . stand between three GPMGs  SF firing rapid , with no ear defenders . ??? HOLLY



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Posted 16 May 2017 - 11:10 AM

If you think that is loud . stand between three GPMGs  SF firing rapid , with no ear defenders . ??? HOLLY

 

IF you think that's loud, try a 155mm howitzer with just your fingers in your ears.... :grin:

 

As my Dad always said, you can muck around with rifles and MG's on a Battlefield but the only thing that brings order to the chaos is Arty....:grin:


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 12:15 PM

Don't forget mortars colin . i think you will find they are the more effective . arty is good to keep the enemy quiet . but mortars work in close . ??? HOLLY 

 

PS Machine guns killed more soldiers in the first world war . that the rest put together .



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Posted 16 May 2017 - 12:35 PM

Don't forget mortars colin . i think you will find they are the more effective . arty is good to keep the enemy quiet . but mortars work in close . ??? HOLLY 

 

PS Machine guns killed more soldiers in the first world war . that the rest put together .

 

Yep my Dad also liked mortars, especially big 81mm jobbie, I have seen a regiment photo where he is sitting withall the other guys flanked by big mortars.

Regarding WW1 I think you'll find that artillery killed and wounded more than MG's.

Don't forget that with the big attacks they would tend to chuck in the shells to break up the attack then haul out the MG's to mop up. I can remember going to see one of my Great Uncles who was at Ypres and while talking to him he dug a small piece of shrapnel from his leg and chucked it in the coal scuttle. He got wounded half a dozen times and they just used to patch him up and send him back to the line. He told me that more than once during an attack he was one of the few left standing after all the artillery came in and he would hide under corpses until dark so he could get back to his own lines. It must have been absolute hell out there.



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Posted 16 May 2017 - 02:59 PM

They used the artillery to soften the enemy up . then as soon as they came over the top the MGs would open up on fixed lines . remember they were out in the open with the MGs . mostly in the trenches with artillery fire .??? HOLLY



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Posted 17 May 2017 - 06:11 AM

They used the artillery to soften the enemy up . then as soon as they came over the top the MGs would open up on fixed lines . remember they were out in the open with the MGs . mostly in the trenches with artillery fire .??? HOLLY


Arty was used both for attack and defence don't forget; the opposing trench would be hammered before and during the attack to keep the Germans in their dugouts, meanwhile the Germans would be hammering no-man's land with artillery trying to break up the attack.
Only when the barrage on the German trench was lifted because the troops ran the risk of being hit by friendly fire would the MG's come out to mop up any survivors
The scenario you are talking about of rigid lines of soldiers walking shoulder to shoulder towards the opposing trench was early in the war, by 1915 both sides realised that this tactic didn't work due to MG's mowing them down from the sides. The Germans with their usual brutal efficiency worked out that if the MG's were single tapped, each round would kill or wound four soldiers.
That was when modern artillery came into it's own as more guns were brought in to suppress the trenches.

Whichever way you cut it, artillery caused about ten times more casualties than from MG's...:grin:

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 06:07 PM

Not so ??? HOLLY



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 05:57 AM

Not so ??? HOLLY


Sigh....trust me, I'm right for a change...:grin:
As I said you're thinking of a different period in the war and even though the generals on both sides were complete and utter asses and immune to losses even they realised that massed infantry charges up to 15-25' high prepared barbed wire was a little foolhardy.

I'm sure if look deep enough you'll find that over the entire 4 years artillery was responsible for at least 80% of casualties, MG's 10% and gas about 1%.

Either way, each death was a tragedy considering that the whole shebang was just a family spat over trade.

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 07:08 AM

With arty one min your there , next your gone ? with MGs you have to charge into them . which would you rather do ??? HOLLY



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 07:17 AM

With arty one min your there , next your gone ? with MGs you have to charge into them . which would you rather do ??? HOLLY


Neither....:grin:
I'd more rather wait until I had more guns to suppress their guns, which is why you ended up with thousands of guns all firing into a relatively small area and considering that each shell can kill or injure 20-60 with virtually no risk to the firer, which would you rather do? :grin:




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