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#1 NeilMac

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 03:51 PM

I was on facebook a short while ago and saw a post linked to the Air Arms page, on it was a post with the following text.

 

The 20th Century saw the rapid growth and development of Air Rifles. More sophisticated machinery was needed as expectations grew ever higher.

British and International consumers demanded the highest quality components and so #AirArms continued to invest in the latest technical and mechanical equipment to meet this need.

 

 

 

Now I don't know about you, but this strikes me as being about as ironic as the airgun manufacturing industry can get, they are extolling the fact they have the very latest manufacturing machines and techniques. But those techniques and machines are all producing designs, the newest of which is over 20 years old, and to a lower standard than they did in the past with the old machinery.

 

 

I know this is far from being unique in the industry, but it still made me smile that lop sided ironic smile.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 03:58 PM

The stocks are an improvement but they don't make those . i doubt anybody would put forward new designs to them . cos the would do what they did to welham ??? HOLLY



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 04:04 PM

That kind of thing is common in the airgun industry I'm afraid, just ask Shaun Hill about the latest Ripley regulators, and I'm sure Jon has an evenings worth of other examples.

 

It just made me laugh, as there is absolutely nothing inaccurate in the advert.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 05:12 PM

​I believe you have completely missed the point Air Arms words? 



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 05:27 PM

As I understand them, they are saying that demand for their products have grown both in the home and international market places in the 20th century and so they have invested money on new machinery and production techniques in order to keep up with that demand.

 

Have I got that all wrong? 



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 05:35 PM

Having 'done the tour' with Bazza round AA towers there is hardly any machinery there that is over a few years old. It's wall to wall CNC machinery churning out receivers with just minimal finishing and anodising needed.

The problem isn't the making, it's the shooting if you take the FTP as the prime example.
The other rifles they produce, I.e the S400's and 500's outshoot the stock FTP out of the box and you would have thought someone would have asked why?

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 05:37 PM

They do realise we are well into the 21st century now?



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 07:46 PM

They do realise we are well into the 21st century now?

 

Just doing what other like minded companies do that have never ever had anyone at all in R&D, drawing up and making the easy bit anyone one can do.

Still say it today years on i reckon sir Nick had a helping hand in the design, why go back to the late 80's with what was done to the Shamals and 100 series after market, things vastly superior by 1992 still unparalled to this day.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:06 PM

The budget 400 AA that i have just bought . shot as well or better than any of the EV2  air arms i have tried ??? HOLLY .

 

PS not as many shots , but i am working on that .,



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:03 PM

Did Andy Watkins the other week in to an old EV2 stock, thought got out of that stuff many years ago, just left lumbered with it because no one else would attempt.

They can be pretty good no reg set up right with same amount of shots if not more and spread. Seen some reggers state get extra shots, thats at the expense of running to 210bar - dangerous when some have blown at 235bar due to the thin penny pinching tube used. If 200bar max fill should withstand at least 300bar. Probably the reason most have the regs took out resorting to standard.

 

The let down with them S300's call it what you like is the trigger. 400's the guage takes room up for proper bedding in leaving a small footprint.

 

In short i tell newbys to buy a s/h S300/400 as they wont lose when they learn the ropes and decide what they want. Most shops sold S400 in 98 for £280 similar to base Daystates, now look at the second hand prices, theyve used, wore out and made money.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:46 PM

Fac Cylinder is now fitted will see how it goes at the weekend. wanna see if it will run at 775 . and how many shots i have to lose to get into the sweet spot from a 190 bar fill . plus how many shots i get at that speed .??? HOLLY



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 06:08 AM

Fac Cylinder is now fitted will see how it goes at the weekend. wanna see if it will run at 775 . and how many shots i have to lose to get into the sweet spot from a 190 bar fill . plus how many shots i get at that speed .??? HOLLY


Barely enough for a GP but then shot count is the least of your worries....:grin:

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:19 AM

I am confident that it will be more than enough to see it through a GP ??? HOLLY 

 

PS whadda yah think Neil .



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:00 AM

 

PS whadda yah think Neil .

"Ahh reckon so"



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:12 AM

I am confident that it will be more than enough to see it through a GP ??? HOLLY 

 

PS whadda yah think Neil .

 

You'll start aiming at 6 o' clock and end up aiming at 12 o' clock just like the old days....:grin: 



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 04:57 PM

Tell you what i will do Col . i will charge to 180 bar , when the rifle is done . and at 778 fps ( which i will check on the chrono ) . will shoot at 50 yards off the bench , at a two inch circle . i will count the shots and count how many go into and out of the circle . untill the charge is done .??? HOLLY


Edited by holly, 17 October 2017 - 04:57 PM.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 05:50 PM

Ah the good old days of a power curve

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:04 PM

The idea of the longer FAC cylinder stan is to make the usable shots much more . i am hoping for at least 60 . 70 would be good . we will see ??? HOLLY



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:10 PM

It's all about volume.. and I'm not talking about Holly voice here.



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:34 PM

Tell you what i will do Col . i will charge to 180 bar , when the rifle is done . and at 778 fps ( which i will check on the chrono ) . will shoot at 50 yards off the bench , at a two inch circle . i will count the shots and count how many go into and out of the circle . untill the charge is done .??? HOLLY


Make that a 40mm circle and you're on. You need to know how many usable shots you'll get so it's not a wasted exercise.

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 01:26 PM

Will do ??? HOLLY



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Posted 18 October 2017 - 04:23 PM

Will do ??? HOLLY

 

So I take it you didn't even get as far as the shot count circle test then?  :rolleyes:



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Posted 18 October 2017 - 05:19 PM

Bit difficult col without the trigger mech grandad is doing ??? HOLLY



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Posted 18 October 2017 - 05:46 PM

Bit difficult col without the trigger mech grandad is doing ??? HOLLY


What is it about this time of year, trigger mechanisms and your pups...:rolleyes:

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 10:48 PM

The big let down on the latest pups is the trigger and mechs . you just have to make the best of it ??? HOLLY



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 05:51 AM

The big let down on the latest pups is the trigger and mechs . you just have to make the best of it ??? HOLLY


That's because it involves some thought and shock horror, work.




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